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will be transferring some bible study material here.


Question: Why did God talk about the fulfillment of Joseph’s destiny and not the process?


interesting question which requires some thought.



Joseph was a leader sent for a period of financial and economic crisis


what I find very interesting about the story of Joseph is the fact that he had something in him which others tried their best to stamp out. True, he did rub people the wrong way no matter what he did [from his brothers to potiphar's wife- the only person he didnt offend was the pharaoh, strangely enough].


however, there was a strong factor in him [dont know if it can be called his destiny], which kept on propelling him towards where he would be of maximum use, although he had to get there through despair, imprisonment, etc.

and obviously, the folks around him couldnt see this [not an excuse for anyone to have grandiose delusions though], and simply wanted him to be mundane. This was something he just couldnt do since even as a slave he was still chased and sexually harassed by potiphar's wife.[Although in her defence, we dont know if she routinely slept with random fellows and slaves. That's quite possible perhaps. But then why would potiphar be so upset?]

And even as a slave, he still rose to be the most trusted one in potiphar's household.Likewise even in jail he still became prominent due to what he had within him, ie his character or destiny i suppose. Which could be interpreted as an avenue for God's plan to manifest in his life.


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Post on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:51 pm  Admin

further reading:


Isaiah 60 vs 5b:

ESV
the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you, the wealth of the nations shall come to you.

ASV:

the abundance of the sea shall be turned unto thee, the wealth of the nations shall come unto thee.


KJV:

the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.


in the KJV version, the abundance of the sea is converted. Meaning a change in ownership.

Gentiles means people who are not believers.

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Post on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:04 pm  Admin

A general study of initial occupations in the Bible.





1. Farming/Agriculture

Adam was placed in the garden to dress and keep it, and also eat from the trees there. His two eldest sons also became farmers- one planted crops and the other raised animals.

2. Clothing

After they fell, adam and eve made aprons out of plant leaves [and just to cover their private parts]. This was not sufficient, so God provided them with coats made from animal skins which were a more general covering.

3. Security

a flaming sword was utilized to guard the garden after adam and eve were expelled. Likewise, cherubims were placed there for protection.



Occupations after Cain's fall [Cain's descendants]


4. Construction [city building]

after becoming a fugitive and no longer a farmer, cain became a builder after his son was born and he was somewhat settled.

5. Entertainment [music]

Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

6. Metalworking

Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron

Adam's descendants [through Seth his third son]

7. Ministry [religion]

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

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Post on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:06 pm  Admin

i assume government would be included in city building and religion [ministry].




there is also no mention made of health industry, this was represented by the tree of life placed in the centre of the garden. Adam's job included tending this tree [prior to the fall].

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Post on Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:33 pm  Admin

Who was the serpent?

We are first introduced to this creature in Genesis 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Subtle means cunning, or wise. Negative meanings include deceitful, crafty, treacherous or scheming. Positive meanings include nice, fine, delicate, to refine.

http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/subtil.html



During creation, sea creatures and flying fowl preceded both domesticated animals and beasts. The serpent was identified as a beast, meaning it was not domesticated but rather, a wild animal. Much has been said about the incredulity attached to the notion of a "talking animal"- it sounds unbelievable, quite true, however, one can assume at the time, it fell into the range of other talking animals (birds) such as parrots. The main difference being it (the serpent) could both talk and think, possessing a combination of both wisdom and speech, an unusual quality in a non-human.

Other references to serpent in the bible include Isaiah 27:1 and Amos 9:3 :

In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:

reference: wiki.


Now, where did the serpent come from? It was present in the garden, but we do not know if there were other animals there as well besides the serpent.

Adam named all the animals brought to him in the garden, however his primary work inside that location was tending and keeping the garden itself (no animal husbandry within its boundaries).

So, it is entirely possible the serpent was in the garden prior to the woman joining him there, however, no mention is made of Adam talking before woman was created.  His first recorded words were when or after he saw the woman. Or shall we say, his first words in reference to himself, were after he saw the woman. Was he chatting with the serpent before Eve arrived? We do not know and in my opinion, it does not seem likely, pending further research. The serpent did not tempt Adam, but rather Eve, we are told of the discussion with Eve, no mention is made of any conversation with Adam.

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Post on Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:30 pm  Admin

To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labour you will give birth to children.



The question asked is: If painful childbirth was the consequence for eating the fruit, then why do animals also experience pain when giving birth?

To understand this situation, we have to look back to when the woman was created. In a sense (or literally), the woman came out of Adam, since she was created from his rib. However, the process was not painful for Adam, why?

Because he was in a deep sleep during it.

It is possible the original process of childbearing would have involved a subdued consciousness to pain, not that the pain would not be present, but it would be masked and thus the woman would be unaware of it. Same way Adam was not aware when his help meet was being made from his rib.

When the glory of God which was the covering was removed after the first humans ate the fruit, it also removed the protection which would have covered the woman in childbirth, preventing pain.

The covering (the glory of God) was for the whole of creation, as well as the man and woman.

We can also assume the tree of knowledge could have been connected to this covering in a way, thus eating the fruit hastily could have interfered with the overall balance in the garden.






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Post on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:54 pm  Admin

The Events of Genesis 38: Tamar and Onan

Genesis 38 is the interval between Genesis 37 and Genesis 39.



In Genesis 37, Judah persuades his brothers to sell Joseph into slavery instead of killing him.


26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?

27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.


So, as Judah suggested, the brothers sell Joseph to the Ishmealites.

Afterwards (in Genesis 38), Judah leaves home and sojourns in a foreign land.



And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.


He was searching for Joseph.

In my own opinion, his suggestion that his brother be sold was just so he could secretly track him and bring him back at a later time (perhaps). In any case, he moved away and befriended an Adullamite, then later married and had children.

He headed in the direction of Egypt, probably on the trail of the merchants and traders who had bought Joseph. For whatever reason, he did not go into Egypt but settled down elsewhere (maybe Adulam, maybe not).



The Case of Tamar and Onan

Onan's offence was displaying the same wickedness which his brother had been guilty of. He was as deceitful and cruel as Er. One would wonder, why did he not simply refuse to be a surrogate for his brother, or if that was not possible, he could also have simply asked his father to allow the children (if any), to be his own. His father's main mission of searching for and returning Joseph, was also sabotaged by Onan through his action. He seemed like a self destructive person who would also have destroyed the whole family through his recklessness if permitted. Another option for him was to have fled if he found what was asked of him uncomfortable.

Tamar was aware she was dealing with a tricky situation which could possibly not end well for her, so she collected Judah's tokens as protection, given his lifestyle and also his unreliable nature (patronizing a harlot yet demanding his daughter in law be punished for allegedly plying the trade).

Meanwhile, Joseph was in or on his way to Egypt, and at some point, tempted by Potiphar's wife, but with a very different outcome.

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Post on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:59 pm  Admin

12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord . . .  and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed . . .  So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.




The locations here are Gibeon and the valley of Ajalon. An actual geographic area had prolonged daytime while the battle raged. The manner in which Joshua made his request, shows a pretty accurate knowledge of the geography of the region. Gibeon was also the town whose inhabitants had made a (trickish) peace pact with the ancient Israelites and who were being attacked by the combined armies of five countries because of this. So, the spotlight, or reason for war, was on Gibeon, as we see from Joshua's opening sentence (Sun, stand thou still on Gibeon).

So, it would seem to me there was an extension of time between this geographical region (Gibeon through the valley of Ajalon).  It does not necessarily have to mean the entire earth stood still, although this is definitely a possibility. But time stretched in that location while the battle was on. If you think of time as fluid, instead of static, that is one perspective.



So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day

When attempting to analyze this verse, it is important to remember the way humans view time, is not necessarily the only interpretation which can be given to time.

In Genesis 1, for example, God created the earth in 7 days (technically 6). The actual length of these days is subject to much debate, but the fact to note is "day" itself is a human term which people apply to the definition of time, or which humans use to measure time. The exact length of a day, therefore, can be subject to different variables especially when extra terrestrial contexts are being used.

An earth day consists of a single solar cycle measured by the earth's rotation, this is not the same on other planets, where days can be significantly longer or shorter. So, "resetting" the sun (or time) in this manner, shows a comparison with a day unit or time measurement which was not typical for the region.


Lastly, previously, in Exodus 17, during a/nother war with the Amalekites, the Israelites had victory for as long as Moses' arms were raised, but this lasted only until evening time when the sun went down.

12 But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.

13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

14 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

16 For he said, Because the Lord hath sworn that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.

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Post on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:26 pm  Admin

Or the second, if you count the garden of Eden.

How did the animals get to the ark in twos is a big question- people pointing out some would have lived too distantly at that time.

Nothing says they were that far away at the time Noah needed them for the ark.

If (my conjecture) people had already been transporting animals across the known world then, in my opinion, it would not be such a big stretch of the imagination to assume there may have already been zoo prototypes or actual zoos in existence before the flood.

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