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will be transferring some bible study material here.

Question: Why did God talk about the fulfillment of Joseph’s destiny and not the process?

interesting question which requires some thought.

Joseph was a leader sent for a period of financial and economic crisis

what I find very interesting about the story of Joseph is the fact that he had something in him which others tried their best to stamp out. True, he did rub people the wrong way no matter what he did [from his brothers to potiphar's wife- the only person he didnt offend was the pharaoh, strangely enough].

however, there was a strong factor in him [dont know if it can be called his destiny], which kept on propelling him towards where he would be of maximum use, although he had to get there through despair, imprisonment, etc.

and obviously, the folks around him couldnt see this [not an excuse for anyone to have grandiose delusions though], and simply wanted him to be mundane. This was something he just couldnt do since even as a slave he was still chased and sexually harassed by potiphar's wife.[Although in her defence, we dont know if she routinely slept with random fellows and slaves. That's quite possible perhaps. But then why would potiphar be so upset?]

And even as a slave, he still rose to be the most trusted one in potiphar's household.Likewise even in jail he still became prominent due to what he had within him, ie his character or destiny i suppose. Which could be interpreted as an avenue for God's plan to manifest in his life.

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Post on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:51 pm  Admin

further reading:

Isaiah 60 vs 5b:

the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you, the wealth of the nations shall come to you.


the abundance of the sea shall be turned unto thee, the wealth of the nations shall come unto thee.


the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

in the KJV version, the abundance of the sea is converted. Meaning a change in ownership.

Gentiles means people who are not believers.

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Post on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:04 pm  Admin

A general study of initial occupations in the Bible.

1. Farming/Agriculture

Adam was placed in the garden to dress and keep it, and also eat from the trees there. His two eldest sons also became farmers- one planted crops and the other raised animals.

2. Clothing

After they fell, adam and eve made aprons out of plant leaves [and just to cover their private parts]. This was not sufficient, so God provided them with coats made from animal skins which were a more general covering.

3. Security

a flaming sword was utilized to guard the garden after adam and eve were expelled. Likewise, cherubims were placed there for protection.

Occupations after Cain's fall [Cain's descendants]

4. Construction [city building]

after becoming a fugitive and no longer a farmer, cain became a builder after his son was born and he was somewhat settled.

5. Entertainment [music]

Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

6. Metalworking

Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron

Adam's descendants [through Seth his third son]

7. Ministry [religion]

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

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Post on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:06 pm  Admin

i assume government would be included in city building and religion [ministry].

there is also no mention made of health industry, this was represented by the tree of life placed in the centre of the garden. Adam's job included tending this tree [prior to the fall].

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Post on Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:33 pm  Admin

Who was the serpent?

We are first introduced to this creature in Genesis 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Subtle means cunning, or wise. Negative meanings include deceitful, crafty, treacherous or scheming. Positive meanings include nice, fine, delicate, to refine.

During creation, sea creatures and flying fowl preceded both domesticated animals and beasts. The serpent was identified as a beast, meaning it was not domesticated but rather, a wild animal. Much has been said about the incredulity attached to the notion of a "talking animal"- it sounds unbelievable, quite true, however, one can assume at the time, it fell into the range of other talking animals (birds) such as parrots. The main difference being it (the serpent) could both talk and think, possessing a combination of both wisdom and speech, an unusual quality in a non-human.

Other references to serpent in the bible include Isaiah 27:1 and Amos 9:3 :

In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:

reference: wiki.

Now, where did the serpent come from? It was present in the garden, but we do not know if there were other animals there as well besides the serpent.

Adam named all the animals brought to him in the garden, however his primary work inside that location was tending and keeping the garden itself (no animal husbandry within its boundaries).

So, it is entirely possible the serpent was in the garden prior to the woman joining him there, however, no mention is made of Adam talking before woman was created.  His first recorded words were when or after he saw the woman. Or shall we say, his first words in reference to himself, were after he saw the woman. Was he chatting with the serpent before Eve arrived? We do not know and in my opinion, it does not seem likely, pending further research. The serpent did not tempt Adam, but rather Eve, we are told of the discussion with Eve, no mention is made of any conversation with Adam.

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Post on Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:30 pm  Admin

To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labour you will give birth to children.

The question asked is: If painful childbirth was the consequence for eating the fruit, then why do animals also experience pain when giving birth?

To understand this situation, we have to look back to when the woman was created. In a sense (or literally), the woman came out of Adam, since she was created from his rib. However, the process was not painful for Adam, why?

Because he was in a deep sleep during it.

It is possible the original process of childbearing would have involved a subdued consciousness to pain, not that the pain would not be present, but it would be masked and thus the woman would be unaware of it. Same way Adam was not aware when his help meet was being made from his rib.

When the glory of God which was the covering was removed after the first humans ate the fruit, it also removed the protection which would have covered the woman in childbirth, preventing pain.

The covering (the glory of God) was for the whole of creation, as well as the man and woman.

We can also assume the tree of knowledge could have been connected to this covering in a way, thus eating the fruit hastily could have interfered with the overall balance in the garden.

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Post on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:54 pm  Admin

The Events of Genesis 38: Tamar and Onan

Genesis 38 is the interval between Genesis 37 and Genesis 39.

In Genesis 37, Judah persuades his brothers to sell Joseph into slavery instead of killing him.

26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?

27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.

So, as Judah suggested, the brothers sell Joseph to the Ishmealites.

Afterwards (in Genesis 38), Judah leaves home and sojourns in a foreign land.

And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.

He was searching for Joseph.

In my own opinion, his suggestion that his brother be sold was just so he could secretly track him and bring him back at a later time (perhaps). In any case, he moved away and befriended an Adullamite, then later married and had children.

He headed in the direction of Egypt, probably on the trail of the merchants and traders who had bought Joseph. For whatever reason, he did not go into Egypt but settled down elsewhere (maybe Adulam, maybe not).

The Case of Tamar and Onan

Onan's offence was displaying the same wickedness which his brother had been guilty of. He was as deceitful and cruel as Er. One would wonder, why did he not simply refuse to be a surrogate for his brother, or if that was not possible, he could also have simply asked his father to allow the children (if any), to be his own. His father's main mission of searching for and returning Joseph, was also sabotaged by Onan through his action. He seemed like a self destructive person who would also have destroyed the whole family through his recklessness if permitted. Another option for him was to have fled if he found what was asked of him uncomfortable.

Tamar was aware she was dealing with a tricky situation which could possibly not end well for her, so she collected Judah's tokens as protection, given his lifestyle and also his unreliable nature (patronizing a harlot yet demanding his daughter in law be punished for allegedly plying the trade).

Meanwhile, Joseph was in or on his way to Egypt, and at some point, tempted by Potiphar's wife, but with a very different outcome.

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Post on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:59 pm  Admin

12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord . . .  and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed . . .  So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.

The locations here are Gibeon and the valley of Ajalon. An actual geographic area had prolonged daytime while the battle raged. The manner in which Joshua made his request, shows a pretty accurate knowledge of the geography of the region. Gibeon was also the town whose inhabitants had made a (trickish) peace pact with the ancient Israelites and who were being attacked by the combined armies of five countries because of this. So, the spotlight, or reason for war, was on Gibeon, as we see from Joshua's opening sentence (Sun, stand thou still on Gibeon).

So, it would seem to me there was an extension of time between this geographical region (Gibeon through the valley of Ajalon).  It does not necessarily have to mean the entire earth stood still, although this is definitely a possibility. But time stretched in that location while the battle was on. If you think of time as fluid, instead of static, that is one perspective.

So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day

When attempting to analyze this verse, it is important to remember the way humans view time, is not necessarily the only interpretation which can be given to time.

In Genesis 1, for example, God created the earth in 7 days (technically 6). The actual length of these days is subject to much debate, but the fact to note is "day" itself is a human term which people apply to the definition of time, or which humans use to measure time. The exact length of a day, therefore, can be subject to different variables especially when extra terrestrial contexts are being used.

An earth day consists of a single solar cycle measured by the earth's rotation, this is not the same on other planets, where days can be significantly longer or shorter. So, "resetting" the sun (or time) in this manner, shows a comparison with a day unit or time measurement which was not typical for the region.

Lastly, previously, in Exodus 17, during a/nother war with the Amalekites, the Israelites had victory for as long as Moses' arms were raised, but this lasted only until evening time when the sun went down.

12 But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.

13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

14 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

16 For he said, Because the Lord hath sworn that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.

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Post on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:26 pm  Admin

Or the second, if you count the garden of Eden.

How did the animals get to the ark in twos is a big question- people pointing out some would have lived too distantly at that time.

Nothing says they were that far away at the time Noah needed them for the ark.

If (my conjecture) people had already been transporting animals across the known world then, in my opinion, it would not be such a big stretch of the imagination to assume there may have already been zoo prototypes or actual zoos in existence before the flood.

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Post on Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:26 am  Admin

If God put a Tree of Life in the garden of Eden from the very beginning, what was it for?

For those who say man was created to be immortal and eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge  made them mortal.

"And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;  but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"

Adam preceded the tree and even the garden. Man was created, then God planted a garden and placed him there. Can we say the garden was created because of Adam? Assuming Adam was mortal before the tree was created, wouldn't that make sense? Meaning he was not immortal, therefore one of his choices was the tree of life, which could have made him immortal. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was another choice placed before him.

I was wondering if Adam was aware he was mortal. Assuming he was, what can we make of this passage, and the last verse:

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 2.

To understand what this verse meant, the phrase "In the day" should be noted.

Adam lived 930 years. So he lived for hundreds of years after eating the fruit. Therefore we can assume what God as referring to was not necessarily a literal day, but perhaps a wider concept of time which also does not have to conflict with the literal 24 hour cycle. Just as the Genesis account of creation notes two lights, but each different, likewise basic time may not necessarily be restricted to just a 24 hour interpretation.

Also, satan did not tempt them with the tree of life. Why was that? Because it was not forbidden? Or because it's function was already known?

The Tree of Life had to do with healing (Rev 22). This would imply there was sickness. It would also imply man was not created immortal. Rather, he was fallible right from the beginning and the garden was created because of this fact. We do not know what Adam was being protected from (or vice versa), or what could have happened had he not been placed in Eden or Eden created for him. Maybe the continuation of the previous cataclysmic war, before he was ready? Why was a tree of life actually needed in the garden if creation was not mortal?

After eating the fruit, Adam was sent back to where he was taken from, to till the ground (for the first time?). However, the results of his choice reflected in the descendants who did not make wiser life choices just like him.

The presence of the tree of life in the garden, and Adam and Eve not eating from it, implies they were aware of what it meant. Rev 22 tells us the tree bore fruit 12 times a year (earthly year). And the leaves were for healing. So, if the tree of life in the garden was for healing as well as life, what was being healed? Was there sickness? Death? Outside the garden? Was the fruit of the tree of knowledge also meant for outside the garden at a set time?

The fruit of the tree of life matches the lunar calendar (12 months). Different fruit every month. Was the fruit of the tree of knowledge also fashioned the same way, and Adam and Eve ate it before it was their time to do so? Note that God observes. He brought the animals to Adam and observed what he called them, for example. From his observation, he decided to make Adam a helpmeet, which was Eve. So, when he placed them in the garden and gave them the instructions about the tree, it was likely he was still observing Adam,  and the instructions might have been modified at some point in time, depending on need.

In Conclusion

The question what was the tree of life for, is a difficult one. There was supposed to be no disease, sickness or death in the garden, so what was the purpose of a tree of life there?
We may have to reassess our understanding of that scripture, to include the possiblility there was indeed death, sickness and disease after creation, and before the fall.

Romans 5
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Sin entered the world through Adam. The world referred to here is not the garden of Eden, but the one outside the garden which Adam was sent to after he sinned. The fruits of the trees should have also been exported into the world for life, healing, development and other things, but that option was banned after the fall because man could not have immortality in that fallen state. There would be no way to fix the problem if mankind lived for ever. Moreso, there had already been one war which devastated the earth and it would not be expedient to have another.

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Post on Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:53 pm  Admin

To answer the question:

"Why Were Eve's Eyes Not Opened Until Adam Ate?"

Let's examine Eve's position in the course of things.

Genesis 3:

"19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him".

Before the start of the naming process, the beasts are listed first, then the fowls.

When the naming process actually began, Adam reversed this order, and named the cattle, the fowl and lastly, the beasts.

Why did Adam place the beasts last?

The reasons could include:

a. The beasts in verse 19 included cattle.

However, in Genesis 1: 24,25, beasts are mentioned/created separately from cattle. And in the rest of the chapter, Adam is given specific dominion over fish, fowl, cattle, and creeping things, but beasts are not mentioned. But we can agree beasts are included in "all living things". But, point of emphasis, the command did not say " Let man have dominion over beasts" . Rather, beasts are part of a more general domain, after dominion over fish, fowl and cattle.

Beasts are again mentioned in verse 30:

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air . . . I have given every green herb for meat. . ."
Now, after the naming process, Eve was created and likewise given a name by Adam. Note, beasts were the last things named by Adam, before he finally completed or restarted the process by naming Eve. After this, the naming work was done. He called her woman, showing she was greater than animals and considered a part of man.

Genesis 2:

"15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it. . ."

God commanded the man not to eat the fruit. (This was before the creation of woman).Does this imply the woman was allowed to eat it?

It seems the order was given to the man, not the woman, so yes, I would say it looks like the woman could have eaten the fruit with no consequences.(This view can be corrected if necessary). Her sin was in bringing the fruit to the man for him to eat (probably when she ate it and saw nothing changed or it didn't matter, then HE ate it and things changed and started to matter). Also, he did not directly pluck it from the tree- he let her to do it instead and maybe hoped to evade the consequences? (Passing the buck).

Next, examine how God outlined the nature of the consequences or punishments for the serpent, Eve and Adam.

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Post on Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:02 pm  Admin

Genesis 3

"14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

God addresses the serpent and Adam by first referring to their reasons (because).

To the serpent: "because thou hast done this".

To the woman: (no because and no reason) just consequences.

To the man: "because thou hast hearkened to the voice of your wife and eaten of the tree".

The woman is part of man and so her covering is the man.

To understand more about why she did not see until Adam saw in spite of eating the fruit first (or why her seeing was not as important as Adam's), we need to know what the function of a covering is. That would be a separate study or topic.

Genesis 3

"22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. . . "

The man refers to Adam in particular. His knowledge was more dangerous than Eve's because he was the head of creation and he had already demonstrated disobedience and lack of responsibility (unwillingness to take blame or be responsible for his direct and indirect actions). So, Eve did not get them sent out of the garden, but Adam did.

Authority and responsibility had been given to Adam, not Eve.

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